“You not supposed to feel down over whatever happen to you,” he says. “I mean, you’re supposed to use whatever happen to you as some type of upper, not a downer. Say if a brother say he don’t wanna play no more music, then you have a little time to work out what is to be, what must be.
“I feel Peter Tosh was want to have adventures himself, him talented enough and mebbe him want something better than this.”
On why he chose an “outsider,” American Al Anderson, to play lead guitar, instead of a Jamaican, he was particularly scathing: “We really not deal with people in categories like if you come from Jamaica you have the right. Regardless of where on earth you are you have the right. I can’t deal with the passport thing. To me him prove himself not an outsider, because if him can play with us then him no outsider.”
And then they wanted to talk about money, whether his new-found fame and assumed wealth was going to cut him off from his fellow Jamaicans, and they asked about the future of reggae if it became too commercial.
“I don’t see reggae music as like the twist, I see reggae music as music,” he said. “When people say reggae them expect a type of music. As far as me is concerned, I never give it a name. Just play music.
“Once you put it in a bag and call it reggae and then mebbe you listen with your ear and think you hear a single thing. Because music wide, music go everywhere.
“That’s why people expect reggae to be a one type of thing but it’s not that. This music, man, is not music of a day. It have to be real.”
Upstairs in the Kensington Hilton hotel, sipping canned orange juice in a plush room overlooking the main motorway into London from Shepherds Bush, I started by returning to the question of where he was heading as he became more popular. Wasn’t he getting closer to Babylon as he became more successful? I asked, using the rasta term for the sins of this world represented by the Hiltons and everything they stood for.
“Babylon is everywhere,” he replied, after a moment’s thought. “You have wrong and you have right. Wrong is what we call Babylon, wrong things. That is what Babylon is to me. I could have born in England, I could have born in America, it make no difference where me born, because there is Babylon everywhere.”
In Addis Abbaba, capital of Ethiopia, too?
“Yeh. What important is man should live in righteousness, in natural love for mankind.
“I was born in Babylon. My father, who got together with my mother, was a English guy who was a captain of the army, who go to war. You can’t get more Babylon more than that. My mother was a black woman from the inner centre of Jamaica, real country, and this was a man who come from England and go war. He come to Jamaica and find my mother, way up in the country, so look how far Babylon come from England.
“A certain word can hold you out from the truth a long while, like people can use the word Babylon and have no understanding of what Babylon is. So he becomes an idiot, he becomes more chained, ‘cos a thing is right or wrong. If you’re right you’re right, if you’re wrong you’re wrong.”
I asked him later if his songs had a message for white people or only the black, and he returned to this theme of his origins: “My songs have a message of righteousness, whether you black…Listen man, you know I’m not prejudice about myself.
“Because my father’s white, my mother’s black. You know what them call me, half caste or wh’ever. Well, me don’t dip on nobody’s side, me don’t dip on the black man’s side nor the white man’s side, me dip on God’s side, the man who create me, who cause me to come from black and white, who give me this talent.
“Prejudice is a chain, it can hold you. If you prejudice, you can’t move, you keep prejudice for years. Never get nowhere with that.” We spoke again about the sudden cancellation of the last tour.
“Yeh, well, the thing was, some of the members of the group can’t stand the cold. My thing is, it’s a compulsion, I have to leave Jamaica a certain time of the year.”
He had spoken of many of the things that were wrong with his native land. I asked him if he had any hope for change in Jamaica.
“I wish things could change without hurt and righteousness reign for ever, let righteousness cover the earth like the water cover the sea,” he quoted. He often quotes, but the poetical, lilting quality of his speech (so impossible to reproduce in print) makes it hard to distinguish the quote from the straight statement. They all come out as a kind of poetry.
“My future is in a green part of the earth,” he said, “big enough me can roam freely. I don’t feel Jamaica gonna be the right place because Jamaica look a bit small. That mean we put a circle some time round Jamaica, mean my thing will have finish, need somewhere new, Ethiopia, adventure, know what I mean?
“You can start live. I suffer this all our life, so we can’t settle, need some adventure, enjoy ourself, and the only place we can do that is in Ethiopia, Africa, big enough. Jamaica a little small island, you know.”
With many poor rastas saving their pennies and actually making it out to Africa, I asked, how come Robert Nesta Marley hadn’t made it to the promised land yet?
“The reason I don’t go to Ethiopia is why I am going to Ethiopia, to spy? To spy if the land is nice and I want to live there? When I go to Ethiopia it have to be natural like. It can’t be just because me have the money for go. Ethiopia is more than that.
“I mean, when we go to Ethiopia, that’ll be something. It can’t just be a vacation, you know, foolishness. That’ll be real.”
Getting down to the message of his songs, it struck me that his most popular song, ‘I Shot The Sheriff’, didn’t have too much of a message.
“That message a kind of diplomatic statement,” he said. “You have to kinda suss things out. I shot the sheriff is like I shot wickedness. That’s not really a sheriff, it’s just the elements of wickedness, you know. How wickedness can happen.
“But the elements of that song is people been judging you and you can’t stand it no more and you explode, you just explode. So it really carry a message, you know. Clapton asked me about the song because when Clapton finished the song he didn’t know the meaning of the song. Him like the kind of music and then him like the melody and then him make ‘I Shot The Sheriff’.